Hi I'm Jeremy and I live in Philadelphia, PA. Gonna start a "build" thread, not because I am necessarily proud of what I have at the moment, but because I want to host my progress somewhere other than my camera roll, where everything gets lost because I take a lot of photos of bullshit. But the plan is for something somewhat cool to result. Everything in this thread will take place about an hour outside of Philly in eastern PA where I have more space and resources. I'll certainly get excruciatingly wordy here because I don't get to exercise my writing abilities or share my internal dialogue that I keep bottled up often enough (unless I overshare to my friends while drunk, to their dismay).
A little background, I got my first S13 in April 2013, I was a senior in high school. I still own this car and drift it at as many local events that my life situations allow. Started with mediocre street drifting in 2013 and hit the track for the first time in Summer 2014. I'll share a little about my other cars in a follow up to this post to try to keep things on track... something I don't excel at.
The subject car of this thread:
I got it for a few primary reasons, while already owning two S13 hatches. 1.) My current drift car has seen 7 years of drift use with minimal time spent fixing bumps and bruises. At this point and for a few years prior, I really started to gain appreciation, or should I say, need, for a stylish D chassis. Zilvia threads, BM Cup tapes, and eletor videos do wonders for taste-shaping. 2.) It was mid-2020 at the time and I was observing the rapid price spikes happening in real time and knew every day I waited, it would only get harder to get a new shell. 3.) I wanted to be able to apply lessons learned from my other drift car from the get go, including being picky about chassis selection.
Given #3 above, my criteria was simple.
>Car needed to be a slick top. Sunroofs are cool but I'm 6'-2", all torso, and even with a side mount seat on the ground, my head still his the sunroof framing with a helmet on.
>Car needed to be as stock as possible. Clean slate is important.
>Car needs clean quarters. This car will never be an overs car, knock on wood
>Car can't be overly mint. We all know 240's are basically grail classic Japanese cars at this point, unfortunately. I respect the s-chassis even though I very much miss the <2k running car days and still feel that drifting is an S-chassis only activity if I am to keep doing it. So gonna try not to ruin a nice one.
So here it is. 1993 240sx hatch, base model, factory 5MT, bone stock and complete, clean quarters and rough around the edges. It is perfect. Story on how I bought the car maybe later, it's pretty fucking funny. But I'm getting too wordy. Long story short I paid $1,800 in late 2020 for it. Was a no title car and I Vermonted it without a hitch and now have a clean PA title in my name. RIP that method.
On the trailer the night I got it
And it on the same trailer probably a day or two later
Bought it knowing it has rust. When I checked it out, the spare tire well in the hatch areas was pretty much gone. Both of my other hatches leak(ed) hella water through the tail lights so I wasn't surprised. The drivers side strut tower/wheel well was pretty fucked. Another common spot, usually caused by a leaky BMC or shitty job filling it up 20 years ago leading to no paint in that area. And lastly, the passenger side quarter behind the wheel. Or so my optimism thought.
So first order of business is to get it to my buddy Johnny's. He has been my best friend for 15 or so years and primarily deals with 80s toyotas, so he is no stranger to rust repair. I will be turning all wrenches on this car, but I am not a welder nor panel beater, so any welding will be done by him or others. Love my friends.
Upon arrival at Johnnys. Notice the rocker rust spots not mentioned previously.
First order of business was the spare tire area... or should I say the whole entire fucking floor behind the rear seats.
Big holes everywhere. This is where the trunk floor meets the rear tail light panel area. There was so much.
So naturally, cut out everything. Frame surface rust was addressed later but not pictured.
Ended up picking up a large section of the rear frame/floor. It wasn't in awesome shape but didn't have the same rot holes, and we were able to reshape the spare tire well decently. It was also covered in dynamat and was a mess. I think he did end up welding in a quick patch panel in it ultimately but overall I'm happy with what I provided him panel-wise.
Trimmed, removed by the spot welds, cleaned up, and began spraying high zinc weld-thru primer. I forget the product I bought but it was expensive and recommended, lol.
aaaand it looks like I don't have a finished product photo, other than this one that shows some progress on the spot welds from the outside. Could have sworn I took some finished photos. They can come later I guess. Take my word for it that it looks good and is fit like factory.
Next up is the RH quarter panel. I found a clean ass S13 at a junkyard in like 2015 and thought "Hey lets cut a panel off it, maybe I'll need it some day". And this day came in 2021 or something. I think that's when this rust repair started.
Don't have a pic of it on the car, but here it is cut out next to the good panel I was holding. The lighting in that image makes the repair panel look worse than it was. Just needed a little straightening on the seams.
And semi-finished product. The inside was also cut out, and rebuilt with sheet metal. All interior surfaces coated before sealing the cavity.
As I write this I realize I don't have a billion photos of everything. I begged my buddy to take as many as possible and he kinda didn't lol. He's not doing this for free, but it was a low-stress endeavor for me and included free garage storage for the while it spent there, so beggars can't be choosers here. He is one of the best friends one could ask for, and is very meticulous in panel work.
Driver's side rocker fixed. All rusty metal cut out and new panels hand shaped into place. He also did a fantastic job rebuilding the inner part where the rear of the rocker meets the wheel well, and cut out any compromised metal inside the chassis where the eye does not see . I don't have excellent photos of that finished product. Still needs a little body filler love, but this car will be wearing side skirts so I'm not chasing Barrett Jackson status here.
Next was the LH front wheel well. This area was messy.
Pretty much everywhere cut out was extremely rusty. More was cut than shown here eventually. I love seeing the frame/crossmember cross section here.
Bottom section new metal in, grinded, and primed
And all done, primed, seam sealed.
Thirst trap yall when I originally wanted to pull the KA to address the strut tower rust. Didn't end up pulling it and got the work done engine still in car. Car currently sits with the KA in it with nothing connected lmao
Next up was the rear subframe build. Always loved seeing people build a pretty subframe on the ground in build threads I've read over the years. This subframe was scaly but not terrible. Had Johnny weld in the GK Tech subframe reinforcement panels, then I stripped it with a wire wheel (hell) and sprayed it semigloss black.
Sandblasted and refinished the rear knuckles with gloss black and GK poly bushings and plenty of ES poly bush grease. Ultimately decided to go with poly bushings after much consideration and research. Typically I try to avoid poly in articulating parts, but find that these fit my needs and will ensure to keep them heavily greased.
The goal for the car is to be a 50/50 street and track car. I will keep my main drift car (I'll refer to this as the grey car if ever brought up) for events with carnage anticipated. This red car will be for road courses or more showcase style events. But anyway, trying to avoid heims where I can because I want to be excited to drive it anywhere. Pennsylvania roads are unforgiving as fuck.
Sandblasted and shot the RLCA's silver. Got new balljoints from Bernie on Zilvia and put in black prothane bushings w/ plenty of ES grease.
Semi assembled. Went with SPC arms after talking to a few people (Zilvia threads and Damon Young). Hopefully the RUCA's don't have clearance issues as this car is planned to be very low and they are not as chassis avoiding as Parts Shop Max pieces, for example. Time will tell. Lastly, GK poly subframe jawns. To my knowledge the only bushing which raise the subframe and aren't solid (see: chasing some sense of comfort).
And here it is with hubs. Decided on running a full single caliper Z32 rear setup w/ all drum hardware. Will be using PMU shoes and all new cables. I'm a big hater of hydros but have grown to enjoy a little ebrake action in drift, so I hope this setup works well. PMU pads have done wonders for me on stock S13 calipers. Fun fact, my other car's ebrake has only worked for the last 2 years of my ~10 or so years of drifting.
And a piece I'm excited about. I've never had a Nismo power brace and heard they do wonders for chassis rigidity. Also, on my not overly-low grey car, I always scrape tension rod brackets over shitty roads. This is a good example of where I want to apply lessons learned to make this car the best that it can be.
At first, Parts Shop Max's power brace looked really cool and comes with good ground clearance. Then I saw that Villains does a similar service but using stock cores. Given I had stock cores and have had good luck with Villains stuff in the past, I decided to go with it. Awesome end result; great welds, and about an inch of additional clearance! Paired this service with a GK Tech weld-in power brace kit using the car as a jig, and shot it in gloss black + clear.
Notes for those who want to do this: The boxing plates installed by Villains limit you to only heim style tension rods. Stock big bushing types will not fit given the plate. Also, the metal trimmed off the bottom of the bracket itself by Villains will not allow GK Tech's kit to be welded on without a little modification, see how the base plates at the ends of the tube somewhat protrude upward. Anyway, with a little finesse, the end result is strong and doesn't interfere with anything. I'm stoked on this.
Similar paint treatment to the subframe brackets.
This pretty much brings us to current. The subframe is back in the car and it is once again a roller and no longer at Johnny's. I need to take some pics of the parts I have lined up as well as document some of the finished rust repair a little better, it's not too late to do that. For now, a quick plan. Thanks to ridiculous inflation of literally everything in life, I feel like I have the same amount of disposable income as I did in college, while maintaining a lucrative career in engineering/construction. Hoping progress doesn't lag as a result, I'm just taking any excuse to digress and express my discontent with life if opportunity allows me to. This forum is that opportunity because 99% of y'all are strangers!!
Plan:
Stylish Kouki-style early 2000's street car drift build (how original!)
SR20DET
Low
Cool Wheels, 17/18
Parts on hand:
(2x) S13 SR20DET's and a buttload of transmissions
17x9 AVS Model 5 in original dark chrome (need to find an 18x9 or 18x10 pair still)
17/18 Blitz Techospeed Z2
(2x) Mint OEM kouki front bumpers with all brackets and extensions
OEM Kouki skirts
Mint Bride Zeta III L-type (I'm tall and should probably lose a few pounds realistically)
Ganador chrome tail lights + OEM kevlar center panel
BNIB kouki tail lights and under panel
Ganador super mirrors
That cool 3 piece tubular Cusco strut tower bar with the adjuster in the middle
OG More Collage hatch wing, but will probably go 180 or GT-1
Fortune 500's with Swifts
Cool rare interior bits. Veilside shift knob and GAINS chrome door sils
Need to get:
>Rest of kit. Will probably go hot road/rep but have been looking at other stuff after seeing hot road everywhere and not having it for many years and almost getting tired of it.
>Front knuckle setup. Either Heatmaker Hotside or Parts Shop Max Super Angle.
>Parts Shop Max OEM-style FLCA (someone lmk if 50mm of added length is absurd if I plan on keeping stock metal fenders)
>Relocate steering rack (want to keep soft rack bushings)
>Kaaz 2-way
>Paint
>Probably some cool power parts. A cool catback and name brand FMIC
>M Sports (or rep) hood
Ended up trading these
For these (ironic Z2 pics only I guess). Will need relipping to fit Schassis and look good.
Updatepilled and progress coded.
After a somewhat dormant summer I mustered the motivation to pull this car out of hiding. The hardest part of a project is getting started, or in this case resumed. Once that hurdle is crossed, the motivation comes in full force.
I didn't get a photo, but where the car was parked it was very dirty from rainstorms, this spring's pollen onslaught, and at least 6 months of leaf litter given the property is flourishing with plant life. Car was really sad to look at. My pal brought over his pressure washer and I went to town. The car's life was really breathed into it and I fell back in love with the project. I will say that this thing was fucking obliterated w spiders from sitting. If I was an arachnophobe I would not be able to get under it to do the things I have to.
Here are some better shots of the new metal work. It's not Barrett Jackson spec but I am happy and confident with it. The LH shock tower/wheel well was absolutely ravaged when I got the car. Pretty much anywhere you see primer, there were gaping holes.
I took these midway through masking the suspension and outer body. Gave things a slight sanding and got to coating. I got both LH wheel wells done in preparation for finishing the footwork portion of this "build".
The latest focus has been getting everything under the car (suspension, brakes, angle) finished so I can move onto aero/bodywork, interior, and engine. Latest goal has been a comprehensive, quality Z32 brake setup. I mentioned earlier that I don't like the look of hydros or dual caliper, so I managed to put together a fully functional Z32 setup using primarily GK tech parts, with their N-style conversion lines, and most importantly, Project Mu D1-spec shoes!
This is the LH rear coated. Coilover reinstalled and began assembling the Z32 drum hardware.
Rear is complete, and I can tell that the cable ebrake will work well. The GK-tech cables and cable adapter plate are nice pieces. They fixed the driveshaft clearance issue w the plate that I've heard about - when I reinstalled the driveshaft where was plenty of clearance. 5 stars on all of the GK-tech stuff I have on this car so far.
The tired old mostly removed KA that needs to come out at some point. For sale cheap to a good home!
Managed to snag a trade for an old wing I had for a GT-1 Break Itoh wing. A very fun come-up for a part I was dreading having to import.
And lastly a night shot during these activities. The car progress slowly transitioned into beer progress, and the car was put back away, to be resumed shortly. Next up is the front brake setup, but that will happen once I get knuckles and LCA's.
cool thread, I can relate to wanting to get a fresh chassis to incorporporate the lessons-learned. also, that $850 hatch is sweet. I have an FC in similar shape and driving a time capsule is a whole different kind of fun
Always cool to see a chassis saved
Omg Jeremy I didn't even realize this was u. Excited to see such extensive rust repair, maybe I coulda saved mine after all lol
Holy shit that trunk area was rekt. Glad you're saving this thing! Excited to see your progress 😎
So here's a little background on my other cars. First car ever was this 1989 hatch that I still own. Was pretty damn stock by today's standards when I got it but it definitely had at least two "enthusiast" owners before me. Was able to slowly un-shoddify it over the years while the chassis has continued to degrade. Was stock KA24DE for a while, learned to drift the first ~6 years like that. Progressively upgraded the suspension making it a pretty capable machine. Eventually I decided to turbo the KA (second KA24DE in the car because I blew one up overheating it to oblivion, reason is another story for another day). Took my time, did my research, bought quality parts where I could, and it was pretty fast. Long story short though, is I continued to blow 3 more KA bottom ends due to leaning out. Skill issue with wiring in a fuel pump was the determined cause. By the end of this charade, I could hone and rering a KA24DE in a night's time in the engine bay. I had a lot of spare pistons from hoarded engines over the years. Eventually, I knew I always wanted SR20, and saw a similar price hike happening as referenced in the procurement of the subject red car. I picked up a turnkey radiator-to-driveshaft blacktop S13 swap from an acquaintance in Pittsburgh. I've heard that engine run previously and knew it was ready to party. Got the whole thing for $3,500 in late 2020 (actually like 1 month prior to buying the red car in this thread) and it's been rock fucking steady since. I will forever stan the SR.
Here's what it looked like in, idk, 2019? Had a small wheel phase that I'm completely over, even though I did really love the car in this era at the time.
Another pic from around the same era, probably previous because I hadn't yet relplaced the RH fender. But this was the vibe for a while. The green F-250 in the back is also one of my prized possessions, lol.
The only photo of all 3 of my hatches together
Semi-current engine bay shot, it sports the PO's valve cover paint to this day. It has since received a cleaning, tidying of odds/ends, and a Tomei N2 oil block feeding a Grex oil filter relocation feeding a Koyorad oil cooler. Along w a Future Fab manifold, and a new Garrett GT2860RS. I love this engine so much.
More recent pic on Rays Vien Mesh.
And a most-recent (complete w poor framing) shot which encapsulates the poor shape I've let the poor thing get to. I suck.
The plan with this car is to keep driving it. It drives v well. I'd like to get a new rad support and headlight. I really miss Zenki front with proper panel gaps. I have a plethora of OE fenders so those should go on at some point. Would really like to get the most minimal rear overs possible. I'm a huge fan of 30mm CMW Glare fenders, but not sure if such nice pieces should go on a car that sees carnage. I want this car to not look like a bag of dicks but also don't wanna get lost in it since the red car is my focal point of style and quality at this point.
Next up is my 1992 cherry red hatch. I'll try to keep this one quick. Got in 2018 for $850 from an auto auction I worked at in college. Bone ass stock, no rust, cold AC, manual. Reliable as a top. I'm actually dailying this against my will as I type this, through a Pennsylvania winter. My daily (2000 Civic EK hatch which I also adore) has run into unexpected chassis writing-off rust. Picked up another shell to hopefully get together and get the 1992 off the road for the winter. Luckily PA hasn't salted the roads yet...
This car will likely get one of my oem kouki bumpers, my oem kouki skirts and tails, with super modest coilovers and monoblock 17's, and be incredibly stock otherwise. Backburner for now though, it's great as the time capsule it currently is.
Next to my dear pal Jacob's Mk2 Supra. He took every photo of this car I'm sharing.
Me being dummy thick
Another wash pic from the era when I had crazy flow